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Jan 8, 2015 at 17:30 vote accept Rainbolt
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Sep 26, 2014 at 17:41 answer added MegaTom timeline score: 0
Sep 3, 2014 at 20:03 comment added kaine I would appreciate it is you would post the source. I likely won't be able to help get a new scoreboard up, but I want to learn how you set it all up and really hope someone else does. This was an interesting puzzle and the results were underwelming.
Aug 28, 2014 at 13:30 comment added Rainbolt @overactor I gave up on running trials. Every output file looks like a bunch of Chinese characters and other nonprintable characters. Previously, this only occurred once every two or three trials. Now, it's messing up every output file. It takes about 7 hours to run a trial, so it is really tedious to watch over (I have to keep checking my graphs to make sure that nothing interferes with my CPU or memory usage). If you want, I can post the source code this afternoon. It has every single submission included. Maybe someone else can get it to work.
Aug 28, 2014 at 11:16 comment added overactor Is the new scoreboard going to be up any time soon?
Aug 13, 2014 at 6:28 comment added Emil Great. Thanks for the hard work. I'm looking fortward to seeing the results.
Aug 12, 2014 at 16:42 comment added Rainbolt @Emil Yes. It has been nearly a month so I had better get to it. I have been wanting to run some other challenges, but promised myself I would wait until after I got a new scoreboard posted for this one. I "undisqualified" everyone to give them a second chance. Unfortunately, this means that some people will start failing 7 hours into the rounds, making me start all the way over, so it will be a few days before I can post the new scoreboard.
Aug 11, 2014 at 15:28 comment added Emil @Rainbolt, do we get a next round?
Jul 29, 2014 at 19:14 answer added Stranjyr timeline score: 1
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Jul 24, 2014 at 7:12 answer added Emil timeline score: 2
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Jul 23, 2014 at 13:07 comment added Rainbolt @dgel I added a note to one of your Eigen entries. In short, I forgot to add them as "Couldn't compile".
Jul 23, 2014 at 8:11 comment added dgel @Rainbolt, my entries (RidgeProfessor and NaiveBayesian) aren't in the scoreboard, and not listed amongst the disqualifications either. Could you tell me what went wrong?
Jul 23, 2014 at 7:53 comment added tomsmeding @Rainbolt I fully believe my stuff timed out, but I didn't expect an exception. Do you have any more information on Scientist's exception?
Jul 23, 2014 at 3:49 comment added Rainbolt @tomsmeding and all other participants: I added a disqualifications tab to the scoreboard and summarized my notes. It's likely that I made mistakes at some point. For that reason, I added an extremely simple to follow appeal process. Just visit the Scoreboard and read the rules, then leave a comment here if you have something to say.
Jul 23, 2014 at 2:03 comment added Rainbolt @histocrat It turns out that Biographer was calling another entry (python BigMac.py... don't ask why). If Biographer is in the top 3 the next time I post the scoreboard, I'll make it up to you. Linus, as far as I can tell, is behaving just as expected. To everyone else, the scores should be correct. I just messed up in this one particular case.
Jul 22, 2014 at 22:57 comment added isaacg Just to be clear, the issue with median can be seen from this result. Mercenary did quite well in 3 rounds, rounds 1,2 and 3, and quite poorly in rounds 4 and 5, leading to it having a very high median. I think a statistic that incorporates all of the results, but doesn't scale with any of them, might be better.
Jul 22, 2014 at 21:03 comment added kaine @Rainbolt Rainbot, just to be clear I'm in agreement for the most part for eliminating outliers. I do believe median works alot better when there are alot of samples involved as it helps to distinguish what actually is an outlier. For instance, Whatever did great on two separate ones...are either of them outliers? Nevertheless, you are the boss and the call was good.
Jul 22, 2014 at 20:07 comment added Rainbolt @PaŭloEbermann Angel and Demon participated in every trial. They were shuffled and separated into pods just like the rest of the submissions.
Jul 22, 2014 at 20:05 comment added Rainbolt @anotherguest I chose median because it is the most resistant to being swayed by outliers. A simple average varied from 1800 to 100000. A geometric mean using only the three middle scores ranged from 1700 to 5000. The median ranged from 1700 to 2900. The median has the tightest grouping, which indicates to me that it will change the least as I run more and more trials. Wikipedia will back me up here: [The median] is the most resistant statistic, having a breakdown point of 50%: so long as no more than half the data is contaminated, the median will not give an arbitrarily large result.
Jul 22, 2014 at 19:57 comment added Paŭlo Ebermann I thought Angel and Devil would be in each group? Obviously I misunderstood this.
Jul 22, 2014 at 19:14 comment added kaine Ok so what ended up happening was when you separated us into groups, the scores were highly dependant on who we are paired with. As I was fortunate enough to be sided with goody two shoes and opportunists (literally), every round from mine went to good so I lost every round (if I won I would consider switching). I, therefore, got the one perfect score. You noted that this is not really fair (good observation) as mine could not hold weight on a more variable field. You chose to score by median, therefore. I'm not sure that is the best measure, but mine did not diserve to win so thats fine.
Jul 22, 2014 at 18:22 comment added Rainbolt @tomsmeding I expect that you aren't the only one with this question. Please see the note on the side of the Scoreboard. I can't say for certain why you were excluded. When I have time to review my detailed notes at home, I'll transcribe them to the Scoreboard, and then you'll have your answer. I will accept appeals if you feel like I messed up, because I mess up a lot. Hopefully everyone here understands how large of a project this was, that it's all just a game anyway, and that I'll keep fixing it until I get it right.
Jul 22, 2014 at 18:07 comment added tomsmeding How come my Scientists aren't in there?
Jul 22, 2014 at 17:17 comment added Rainbolt @histocrat I will investigate this later. If I find that the posted results don't match the actual results, I'll take the blame and award another bounty (because what am I doing with all of these imaginary points anyway?). This could just be an error on my part with matching the raw data to the scores.
Jul 22, 2014 at 16:37 comment added histocrat Thanks for posting the scoreboard! It looks like the first few rounds may be getting cut off (or skipped, or something)--Biographer is supposed to choose Good for the first ten rounds, but turns to evil around round 6, and Linus isn't matching his hardcoded behavior either.
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Jul 22, 2014 at 10:57 answer added Mathetic timeline score: 1
Jul 22, 2014 at 8:43 comment added jaybz I was going to add this as an edit, but it doesn't fit. Anyway turns out I might have been wrong. I did a quick check and I found only two entries that was specifically designed for more than 100 rounds. That said, 100 is a much smaller sampler size than 1000 and would negatively affect the statistics-based entries severely.
Jul 22, 2014 at 8:28 comment added jaybz The problem with doing just 100 rounds is that some of the entries were designed around the fact that there will be 1000 rounds. In fact, a number of the statistics-based entries vote randomly for the first n rounds (and I think 100 was the popular choice) for enough data to be available for statistical analysis.
Jul 22, 2014 at 7:06 comment added moooeeeep Probably a bit late, but wouldn't it be better to do around 100 rounds for around 100 trials instead of 1000/3? Besides that, I also think the average rank would be a better measure of performance than the average score.
Jul 21, 2014 at 23:31 answer added Paul Thomann timeline score: 1
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Jul 21, 2014 at 20:08 comment added dgel Either median or summing the ranking in each of the 3 trials is fine by my
Jul 21, 2014 at 19:34 comment added Brilliand @Rainbolt Another option would be to issue points based where each entry placed in each round (i.e. how many other entries that entry outscored), instead of making absolute scores important. I favor that idea, although I don't suppose it matters very much to me, really.
Jul 21, 2014 at 18:57 comment added Rainbolt One of the pods ended up with 10 entries that voted the same way every single time. Consequently, two users ended up with perfect or "one round short of perfect" scores of around 450,000. The same entries scored around 1900 in other trials. The average score is close to 2000. Because of the extreme imbalance in results, I decided that a more meaningful number would be a median. I edited the challenge so that after 5 trials, the winner will be the submission with the highest median. If anyone thinks that moving from mean to median is unfair or otherwise a poor choice, please comment.
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Jul 21, 2014 at 12:03 comment added Rainbolt @dgel I'll post the raw data, upper, lower, averages, and maybe a line chart so we can see who did better as the competition dragged on.
Jul 21, 2014 at 10:41 comment added dgel @Rainbolt: could you post upper and lower bounds on scores as well as averages?
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Jul 20, 2014 at 8:15 comment added Angelo Fuchs @Rainbolt I would suggest applying a cut date for the current round of testing to limit it to the ones that are already there so you don't have to do it all over again if something new pops up.
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Jul 19, 2014 at 18:54 comment added tomsmeding @Rainbolt This must be one freakin' hell of a job, running this challenge! The reason for this amount of attention is the simplicity of the protocol and the rules, making it accessible while also allowing simple, working entries. TL;DR: Your challenge is too good! :D
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Jul 19, 2014 at 7:19 comment added Doorknob Bounty refunded and reinstated as the OP couldn't compile all the submissions in time. Minimum time for the new bounty to be awarded is 24 hours, so that's approximately when the new one will be awarded.
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Jul 18, 2014 at 6:52 comment added justhalf Woah, OP changes his username. Ok, so when will the result be displayed?
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Jul 17, 2014 at 10:40 comment added Doorknob @isaacg I've undeleted those two comments until Rusher can edit them into his post.
Jul 17, 2014 at 9:57 comment added isaacg @Doorknob The "When's the official testing?" question should stick around / be incorporated into the main post.
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