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Similar to other quine puzzles (more specifically, this one), write a program that produces the source for itself.

Here's the new twist: The code produced should NOT be identical to the source. Rather, it should output a different program that will create the first.

The challenge linked to above achieved that by jumping between two languages. I'm thinking this one would be done in just one language, but the two (or more) versions of the source should be significantly different (see rules below). With this constraint, single character answers would be disallowed, thus requiring a little more thought be put into a final submission.


RULES

  1. Your code must be produced in just one language. (Multiple submissions, one for each language is perfectly acceptable.)
  2. Your different code versions must be syntactically distinct. In other words, if you were to draw out an abstract syntax tree for your code, there should be at least one node different.
    • Supplying an AST will not be necessary, but if you feel inclined to provide one for each of your programs, it would help in judging.
  3. You may produce as many iterations as you wish, as long as they all remain syntactically distinct. (More will help your score, see below.)

SCORING

Your final score will be the mean length of all your programs, divided by the number of programs.

Example 1:

A (source for B) = 50 characters
B (source for A) = 75 characters
Final Score = 31.25

Example 2:

A (source for B) = 50 characters
B (source for C) = 75 characters
C (source for A) = 100 characters
Final Score = 25

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I meta quine once. – mellamokb Apr 13 '12 at 13:32
@mellamokb har har ;-) – Gaffi Apr 13 '12 at 13:33
This is actually just a more general version of this quine challenge, and the answers given there will win here, too. – leftaroundabout Apr 13 '12 at 17:02
@leftaroundabout, the requirement for syntactic differences invalidates a 'rotating quine', so this is not more general. – boothby Apr 13 '12 at 18:02
@leftaroundabout I was thinking this current form was enough, but if there is still disagreement about boothby's point, I do have an extra alternative constraints I can add. – Gaffi Apr 13 '12 at 19:01

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Python, 0 (limit of (68+3 n )/(16n))

If two abstract syntax trees are different if they have different constants,

r='r=%r;n=(0x%XL+1)%%0x10...0L;print r%%(r,n)';n=(0xF...FL+1)%0x10...0L;print r%(r,n)

there are 16n programs of length at most 68+3n, giving asymptotic score of 0.

If you want programs with variable structure, we can implement a binary adder on n bits. Here, there are 2n programs of length O( n2). Goes in a cycle due to dropped carry bit.

s="""
print 's='+'"'+'"'+'"'+s+'"'+'"'+'"'
n=lambda m:reduce(lambda (s,c),y:(s+(c^y,),c&y),m,((),1))[0]
print s[:112]
t=n(t)
print "t=(%s,)+(0,)*%s"%(t[0],len(t)-1)
for i in range(len(t)-1):
    print i*' '+'for i in range(2):'
    print ' '+i*' '+['pass','t=n(t)'][t[i+1]]
print s[113:-1]
"""

print 's='+'"'+'"'+'"'+s+'"'+'"'+'"'
n=lambda m:reduce(lambda (s,c),y:(s+(c^y,),c&y),m,((),1))[0]
print s[:112]
t=(0,)+(0,)*10
for i in range(2):
 t=n(t)
 for i in range(2):
  t=n(t)
  for i in range(2):
   t=n(t)
   for i in range(2):
    t=n(t)
    for i in range(2):
     pass
     for i in range(2):
      t=n(t)
      for i in range(2):
       pass
       for i in range(2):
        pass
        for i in range(2):
         pass
         for i in range(2):
          t=n(t)
t=n(t)
print "t=(%s,)+(0,)*%s"%(t[0],len(t)-1)
for i in range(len(t)-1):
    print i*' '+'for i in range(2):'
    print ' '+i*' '+['pass','t=n(t)'][t[i+1]]
print s[113:-1]
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Might I be confused? It looks like the output is identical to the source (not the objective of this challenge)? – Gaffi Apr 15 '12 at 18:10
Look in the nested block. pass will change to t=n(t) and back, in all 2^n combinations. – boothby Apr 16 '12 at 0:04
I do see that now. You confused me with all the repetition! – Gaffi Apr 16 '12 at 2:07
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for some reason, I like very long golf solutions with tiny scores. – boothby Apr 20 '12 at 4:01

Perl, score of 110.25

I have to admit, I'm not very good with quines. I'm 100% certain that there is room for improvement. The solution is based off of the same principle of the Element solution below.

The first program is 264 characters.

$s='$a=chr(39);print"\$s=$a$s$a;";$s=reverse$s;for(1..87){chop$s}$s=reverse$s;print$s;$f++;if($f==0){$a=chr(39);print"\$s=$a$s$a;$s"}';$a=chr(39);print"\$s=$a$s$a;";$s=reverse$s;for(1..87){chop$s}$s=reverse$s;print$s;$f++;if($f==0){$a=chr(39);print"\$s=$a$s$a;$s"}

The second program is 177 characters.

$s='$a=chr(39);print"\$s=$a$s$a;";$s=reverse$s;for(1..87){chop$s}$s=reverse$s;print$s;$f++;if($f==0){$a=chr(39);print"\$s=$a$s$a;$s"}';if($f==0){$a=chr(39);print"\$s=$a$s$a;$s"}

I'm working on the AST for this entry (and the Element entry).


Element, score of 47.25

The first program is 105 characters.

\ \3\:\$\'\[\\\\\`\(\`\]\#\2\1\'\[\(\#\]\`\ \3\:\$\'\[\\\\\`\(\`\]\#\` 3:$'[\\`(`]#21'[(#]` 3:$'[\\`(`]#`

The second program is 84 characters.

\ \3\:\$\'\[\\\\\`\(\`\]\#\2\1\'\[\(\#\]\`\ \3\:\$\'\[\\\\\`\(\`\]\#\` 3:$'[\\`(`]#`

I'm sure that there is a lot of room for improvement.

In the first program there is one string (in which every character is escaped, despite a lot of redundancy) followed by executable parts A and B. Part A does several things: prints the string and escapes out of every character, prints the last half of the string (which is the source for part B), and then prevents the part B that follows it from doing anything.

The second program is the same string followed by part B. Part B is based off of a simple quine; it prints a string preceded by an escaped version of it. This means it prints the string, and both parts A and B.

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I think this definitively, beyond any doubt, proves the validity of Element as a programming language. It is so easy to use that I, so inexperienced that I have only managed to write one complete interpreter for Element, have been able to answer this question before any other person on this entire planet of 7,000,000,000 people. Element's "one character, one function, all the time" paradigm means that all code is completely unambiguous. The language is versatile: except for []{}, any command can be placed anywhere in the entire program without causing a syntax error. It is perfect. – PhiNotPi Apr 14 '12 at 0:08
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A bit biased, are we? ;-) – Gaffi Apr 15 '12 at 18:07

JavaScript, 84.5 64 61

Two programs, both length 169 128 122.

(function c(){alert(/*
2/*/1/**/);return ('('+c+')()').replace(/\/([/\*])/,function(m,a){return a=='*'?'/\/':'/\*'});
})()

Before I golfed it, for your viewing pleasure:

(function c() {
    var r = /\/([/\*])/;
    var f = function(m, a) { return a === '*' ? '/\/' : '/\*' };
    var p = '(' + c + ')();';
    p = p.replace(r, f);
    /* This is just a comment!
    console.log('Quine, part two!'); /*/
    console.log('Quine, part one!'); /**/
    return p;
})();

Returns the new program and outputs the current part! I could probably make it shorter without the function regex, but... I don't want to.

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If I follow, your outputs are: (function c(){var p='('+c+')()';alert(//2/*/1/**/);return p.replace(/\/([/\*])/,function(m,a){return a=='*'?'/\/':'/\*'});})() and (function c(){var p='('+c+')()';alert(/*2/*/1/**/);return p.replace(/\/([/\*])/,function(m,a){return a=='*'?'/\/':'/\*'});})() and I don't think that fits the constraint of being syntactically distinct. – Gaffi Apr 15 '12 at 18:17
No, they're syntatically distinct. Once you add the newlines, that is. – rynah Apr 16 '12 at 2:44
I see the multiline vs. single line comment, but isn't the difference just what is output? It's still an alert of a literal. (I'm sorry for being dense. I am only so much familiar with JS.) – Gaffi Apr 16 '12 at 3:40

VBA: (300+268)/2/2 = 142

300

Sub a()
c = "If b.Lines(5, 4) = c Then" & vbCr & vbLf & "b.InsertLines 9, d" & vbCr & vbLf & "b.DeleteLines 5, 4" & vbCr & vbLf & "End If"
d = "b.InsertLines 7, c" & vbCr & vbLf & "b.DeleteLines 5, 2"
Set b = Modules("Q")
If b.Lines(5, 4) = c Then
b.InsertLines 9, d
b.DeleteLines 5, 4
End If
End Sub

268

Sub a()
c = "If b.Lines(5, 4) = c Then" & vbCr & vbLf & "b.InsertLines 9, d" & vbCr & vbLf & "b.DeleteLines 5, 4" & vbCr & vbLf & "End If"
d = "b.InsertLines 7, c" & vbCr & vbLf & "b.DeleteLines 5, 2"
Set b = Modules("Q")
b.InsertLines 7, c
b.DeleteLines 5, 2
End Sub

This is run in MSAccess to make use of the Module object. The module is named "Q" for golfing. The difference in syntax comes from the If ... Then missing from the shorter version.

This can probably be expanded to another function, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

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